{"id":10572,"date":"2019-08-27T08:42:28","date_gmt":"2019-08-27T06:42:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/?p=10572"},"modified":"2019-08-27T08:42:28","modified_gmt":"2019-08-27T06:42:28","slug":"ladislav-jakl-nenapadlo-me-ze-se-touhle-dobou-budu-bat-i-o-svobodu-slova","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/?p=10572","title":{"rendered":"Ladislav Jakl: Nenapadlo m\u011b, \u017ee se touhle dobou budu b\u00e1t i o svobodu slova"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>S Ladislavem Jaklem jsme si pov\u00eddali nejen o jeho nov\u00e9 knize text\u016f, rozhovor\u016f a koment\u00e1\u0159\u016f Z&nbsp;Hanspaulky o svobod\u011b, kterou pr\u00e1v\u011b vyd\u00e1v\u00e1 Institut V\u00e1clava Klause. Ale i o tom, jak se zm\u011bnil politick\u00fd st\u0159et a o co v&nbsp;n\u011bm jde nebo pro\u010d se dnes c\u00edt\u00ed b\u00fdt konzervativn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e p\u0159ed t\u0159iceti lety.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><strong>O \u010dem je Va\u0161e nov\u00e1 kniha, je asi jasn\u00e9 ze samotn\u00e9ho n\u00e1zvu \u2013 o svobod\u011b. Co v n\u00ed ale \u010dten\u00e1\u0159i budou hledat marn\u011b, co v n\u00ed nenaleznou?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Nenajdou v n\u00ed m\u00e9 soukrom\u00ed, nenajdou v n\u00ed m\u00e9 pivo, nenajdou v n\u00ed mou muziku. Ale bez toho, \u010d\u00edm \u017eiju ve sv\u00e9m soukrom\u00ed, bez sv\u00e9ho piva a bez sv\u00e9 muziky bych se ur\u010dit\u011b d\u00edval na sv\u011bt jinak a ur\u010dit\u011b bych i jinak psal.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jsou toto pro V\u00e1s atributy svobody? Nebo co si pod pojmem svoboda p\u0159edstavuje Ladislav Jakl? A zm\u011bnilo se n\u011bjak toto vn\u00edm\u00e1n\u00ed v pr\u016fb\u011bhu let od roku 1989?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>To jsou sp\u00ed\u0161 atributy m\u00e9 osobn\u00ed spokojenosti a pohody. Svoboda pro mne znamen\u00e1 tot\u00e9\u017e, co pro kohokoli jin\u00e9ho. Mo\u017enost j\u00edt za svou vlastn\u00ed spokojenost\u00ed a pohodou. A proto\u017ee jsme ka\u017ed\u00fd jin\u00fd, p\u0159in\u00e1\u0161\u00ed ka\u017ed\u00e9mu spokojenost a pohodu n\u011bco jin\u00e9ho. A k tomu pot\u0159ebujeme svobodu j\u00edt svou vlastn\u00ed cestou za sv\u00fdm vlastn\u00edm \u0161t\u011bst\u00edm, ani\u017e by n\u00e1s n\u011bkdo n\u00e1sil\u00edm nutil j\u00edt po ciz\u00ed cest\u011b a ani\u017e by n\u00e1m n\u011bkdo n\u00e1sil\u00edm vnucoval svou p\u0159edstavu o na\u0161em \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed. V tom se nic nezm\u011bnilo od stvo\u0159en\u00ed sv\u011bta.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tak je\u0161t\u011b jinak. \u0158ekl byste, \u017ee n\u00e1m dnes n\u011bkdo vnucuje tyto sv\u00e9 p\u0159edstavy o na\u0161em \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed v\u00edce, ne\u017e tomu bylo nap\u0159\u00edklad v dob\u011b Va\u0161eho poslancov\u00e1n\u00ed p\u0159ed 30 lety? Z Va\u0161\u00ed knihy to na mne p\u016fsob\u00ed tak, \u017ee ano. \u010c\u00edm to je?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Na za\u010d\u00e1tku 90. let jsem i j\u00e1 propadl pocitu, \u017ee te\u010f u\u017e bude svobody jen p\u0159ib\u00fdvat. M\u011bl jsem radost z ka\u017ed\u00e9ho odhozen\u00ed dal\u0161\u00edho a dal\u0161\u00edho b\u0159emene regulac\u00ed a z\u00e1kaz\u016f. V\u016fbec by m\u011b nenapadlo, \u017ee za p\u011btadvacet let bude v\u0161e naruby a \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00fd den budou omezen\u00ed a z\u00e1kazy naopak p\u0159ib\u00fdvat. A u\u017e v\u016fbec m\u011b nenapadlo, \u017ee se touhle dobou budu b\u00e1t i o svobodu slova.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Vid\u00edte n\u011bkde nebo v n\u011b\u010dem naopak nad\u011bji? T\u0159eba v n\u011bjak\u00e9m segmentu na\u0161ich spole\u010dnost\u00ed, kdy\u017e budu mluvit \u0161\u00ed\u0159eji o Z\u00e1padu jako celku, proto\u017ee se to asi net\u00fdk\u00e1 jen n\u00e1s\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Bude to zn\u00edt jako slov\u00ed\u010dka\u0159en\u00ed, ale nad\u011bji paradoxn\u011b vid\u00edm pr\u00e1v\u011b v tom utahov\u00e1n\u00ed \u0161roub\u016f posledn\u00edch let. Dokud m\u011bli kolektivist\u00e9 pocit neochv\u011bjn\u00e9 p\u0159evahy, nechali n\u00e1s pov\u00eddat, co jsme cht\u011bli, ve stylu: a\u0165 si pl\u00e1caj\u00ed, my m\u00e1me moc. Ale to, \u017ee za\u010dali boj proti svobod\u011b slova ve stylu uml\u010dov\u00e1n\u00ed samizdat\u016f a \u0161tvav\u00fdch vys\u00edla\u010dek, je d\u016fkazem, \u017ee stoupenci svobody jim nah\u00e1n\u011bj\u00ed re\u00e1lnou hr\u016fzu. Jen je nechme, a\u0165 se boj\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Vy jste ve ve\u0159ejn\u00e9 diskusi \u010dasto radik\u00e1ln\u00ed a provokativn\u00ed. Trump, Farage, Johnson, Salvini tak\u00e9 nejsou \u017e\u00e1dn\u00fdmi vychovateli z ned\u011bln\u00ed \u0161koly a prolamuj\u00ed krustu dusiv\u00e9 politick\u00e9 atmosf\u00e9ry pom\u011brn\u011b \u00fasp\u011b\u0161n\u011b. B\u00fdt jen \u201edrsn\u00fd\u201c ale asi nesta\u010d\u00ed, ne?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>M\u00fdm c\u00edlem nen\u00ed b\u00fdt provokativn\u00ed. To by bylo moc prvopl\u00e1nov\u00e9. Provokativn\u00ed se leckomu zdaj\u00ed m\u00e9 n\u00e1zory, proto\u017ee z nich nijak neslevuji a proto\u017ee se ve sv\u00e9 ostr\u00e9 podob\u011b zdaj\u00ed b\u00fdt \u010dasto vybo\u010duj\u00edc\u00ed z dohodnut\u00e9ho klidn\u011b plynouc\u00edho diskursu. Lid\u00e9 jsou \u010dasto zvykl\u00ed na velmi \u00fazk\u00e9 spektrum sv\u00fdch obl\u00edben\u00fdch n\u00e1zor\u016f a cokoli odli\u0161n\u00e9ho vn\u00edmaj\u00ed jako sk\u0159\u00edp\u00e1n\u00ed neht\u016f o rezav\u00fd plech.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Je je\u0161t\u011b n\u011bco co V\u00e1s p\u0159i p\u0159\u00edprav\u011b knihy, \u0159ekn\u011bme, p\u0159ekvapilo? N\u011bjak\u00e1 tendence, kterou jste si d\u0159\u00edve tak neuv\u011bdomoval a vyjevila se a\u017e v takto koncentrovan\u00e9 podob\u011b Va\u0161ich text\u016f z posledn\u00edch let?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ur\u010dit\u011b nejsem s\u00e1m, kdo je bl\u00e1zniv\u00fdmi pokrok\u00e1\u0159sk\u00fdmi vylomeninami p\u0159ekvapov\u00e1n ka\u017ed\u00fd den. I texty v t\u00e9to knize prozrazuj\u00ed, jak se t\u00e9mata m\u011bn\u00ed. U\u017e n\u00e1m nejde jen o ekonomick\u00e9 svobody, u\u017e n\u00e1m jde o kulturn\u00ed a civiliza\u010dn\u00ed p\u0159e\u017eit\u00ed. O na\u0161\u00ed budoucnosti rozhodne to, zda d\u00e1me p\u0159ednost dobru, nebo svobod\u011b. J\u00e1 jsem pro svobodu a o ciz\u00ed dobra nestoj\u00edm.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Asi byste tedy souhlasil s tvrzen\u00edm, \u017ee se politick\u00fd st\u0159et dosti redefinoval. V \u0159ad\u011b klasick\u00fdch liber\u00e1l\u016f, mezi n\u011b\u017e V\u00e1s po\u010d\u00edt\u00e1m, to probudilo d\u0159\u00edve netu\u0161en\u00e9 konzervativn\u00ed reflexy. C\u00edt\u00edte se b\u00fdt dnes konzervativn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e na po\u010d\u00e1tku 90. let?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>To c\u00edt\u00edm, i kdy\u017e zp\u011btn\u011b odhaluju, \u017ee m\u00e9 n\u011bkdej\u0161\u00ed postoje byly u\u017e tehdy o dost konzervativn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, ne\u017e jsem si s\u00e1m tehdy myslel. Ale i tak, hlavn\u011b por\u00e1nu, na sob\u011b jist\u00fd posun vn\u00edm\u00e1m. Je to d\u00edlem st\u00e1rnut\u00edm, d\u00edlem pocitem akutn\u00edho a s\u00edl\u00edc\u00edho ohro\u017een\u00ed. \u0160\u00edlenstv\u00ed pokrok\u00e1\u0159\u016f tak zb\u011bsile akceleruje, \u017ee n\u00e1m nezb\u00fdv\u00e1, ne\u017e se tak\u00e9 radikalizovat. Jinak budeme pro n\u011b jen materi\u00e1lem ke zvrhl\u00fdm soci\u00e1ln\u011b-in\u017een\u00fdrsk\u00fdm experiment\u016fm.<\/p>\n<p><strong>A d\u00e1 se tomu vyhnout, nebo si t\u00edm budeme muset proj\u00edt? Jist\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem se d\u00e1 \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee znovu. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Vyhnout? Na to je pozd\u011b. Za chv\u00edli mi bude \u0161edes\u00e1t. Nev\u00edm, \u010deho se v tomto smyslu je\u0161t\u011b do\u017eiju. Hor\u0161\u00edch \u010das\u016f zcela ur\u010dit\u011b. V t\u011bch u\u017e jednou nohou jsme. Ale jestli za\u017eiju zas lep\u0161\u00ed \u00e9ru, to nev\u00edm. N\u011bkdo z \u010dten\u00e1\u0159\u016f m\u00e9 knihy v\u0161ak ur\u010dit\u011b.<\/p>\n<p><em>Filip \u0160ebesta<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Newsletter IVK, l\u00e9to 2019<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>S Ladislavem Jaklem jsme si pov\u00eddali nejen o jeho nov\u00e9 knize text\u016f, rozhovor\u016f a koment\u00e1\u0159\u016f Z&nbsp;Hanspaulky o svobod\u011b, kterou pr\u00e1v\u011b vyd\u00e1v\u00e1 Institut V\u00e1clava Klause. Ale i o tom, jak se zm\u011bnil politick\u00fd st\u0159et a o co v&nbsp;n\u011bm jde nebo pro\u010d se dnes c\u00edt\u00ed b\u00fdt konzervativn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e p\u0159ed t\u0159iceti lety.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-10572","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-rozhovory"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10572","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=10572"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10572\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":10573,"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10572\/revisions\/10573"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=10572"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=10572"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=10572"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}