{"id":842,"date":"2011-03-16T15:19:16","date_gmt":"2011-03-16T14:19:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/?p=842"},"modified":"2011-03-16T15:34:20","modified_gmt":"2011-03-16T14:34:20","slug":"l-j-dvacetiminutovka-radiozurnalu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/?p=842","title":{"rendered":"L.J. &#8211; dvacetiminutovka Radio\u017eurn\u00e1lu"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><strong>Radio\u017eurn\u00e1l <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>1.\u00a0Ladislav Jakl, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru Kancel\u00e1\u0159e prezidenta republiky <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Sk\u00f3re:\u00a00.98 <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>N\u00e1zev:\u00a0Ladislav Jakl, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru Kancel\u00e1\u0159e prezidenta republiky <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Zdroj:\u00a0Radio\u017eurn\u00e1l <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Datum:\u00a009.03.2011 <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Relace:\u00a0Dvacetiminutovka Radio\u017eurn\u00e1lu <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Po\u0159ad\u00ed:\u00a01 <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Zpracov\u00e1no:\u00a010.03.2011 05:44:57 <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Moder\u00e1tor:\u00a0\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1 <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Host\u00e9:\u00a0Ladislav Jakl <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nVl\u00e1da dnes schv\u00e1lila mand\u00e1t, se kter\u00fdm pos\u00edl\u00e1 v p\u00e1tek prezidenta <strong>V\u00e1clava<\/strong> <strong>Klause<\/strong> na mimo\u0159\u00e1dn\u00fd summit EU k d\u011bn\u00ed v Libyi a Severn\u00ed Africe. Je prezidentovi postoj kabinetu bl\u00edzk\u00fd a \u010deho chce <strong>V\u00e1clav<\/strong> <strong>Klaus<\/strong> dos\u00e1hnout ve\u0159ejnou a hlasitou kritikou d\u016fchodov\u00e9 reformy? Pozv\u00e1n\u00ed do studia p\u0159ijal <strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>, v\u00edtejte.<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nDobr\u00e9 odpoledne.<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nZa\u010dn\u011bme t\u00edm, co sleduje cel\u00fd sv\u011bt, to je samoz\u0159ejm\u011b d\u011bn\u00ed v Libyi. Ten mand\u00e1t vl\u00e1dy, kdy\u017e ho hodn\u011b zkr\u00e1t\u00edm, zn\u00ed &#8211; alespo\u0148 tak jak j\u00e1 ho ch\u00e1pu &#8211; sankce a pomoc pro Libyi, ale nikoli intervence. Je to skute\u010dn\u011b to, co bude prezentovat prezident republiky na summitu?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nUr\u010dit\u011b je dob\u0159e, \u017ee v t\u011bch z\u00e1sadn\u00edch v\u011bcech se prezident republiky s vl\u00e1dou shoduje, proto\u017ee jestli\u017ee m\u00e1 reprezentovat na summitu hlas \u010cR, tak je dobr\u00e9, aby v t\u011bchto v\u011bcech bylo doma jasno a jasno je v tom hlavn\u00edm, v tom hlavn\u00edm, \u017ee situace v Libyi je velice nep\u0159ehledn\u00e1. D\u011blat si z\u00e1v\u011bry z n\u011bkolika novin\u00e1\u0159sk\u00fdch report\u00e1\u017e\u00ed a ne\u00fapln\u00fdch informac\u00ed a vyvozovat z toho n\u011bjak\u00e1 velk\u00e1 riskantn\u00ed rozhodnut\u00ed by ur\u010dit\u011b nebylo v tuhle chv\u00edli moudr\u00e9. Ono jde o hodn\u011b, jde o \u017eivoty, jde o stabilitu cel\u00e9ho regionu, jde i o potenci\u00e1ln\u00ed v\u00fdznamn\u00e9 dopady t\u00e9 krize i na Evropu i na n\u00e1s tzn., je dobr\u00e9 o tom n\u011bco v\u011bd\u011bt, je dobr\u00e9 tu situaci v Libyi sledovat, nen\u00ed n\u00e1m nikomu jedno, co se tam d\u011bje, nen\u00ed n\u00e1m jedno, jestli tam doch\u00e1z\u00ed k n\u00e1sil\u00ed na nevinn\u00fdch lidech, ale myslet si, \u017ee te\u010f um\u00edme l\u00e9\u010dit probl\u00e9my cel\u00e9ho sv\u011bta a \u017ee se tam te\u010f navezeme a v\u00edme, po kom m\u00e1me st\u0159\u00edlet a v\u00edme, koho m\u00e1me chr\u00e1nit a zn\u00e1me politick\u00fd c\u00edl, kter\u00e9ho je t\u0159eba dos\u00e1hnout silou a kter\u00fd je t\u0159eba udr\u017eet, tak v t\u011bchto v\u011bcech si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e1 jistota neplyne a zdr\u017eenlivost je ur\u010dit\u011b na m\u00edst\u011b.<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nNeboli jestli v\u00e1m spr\u00e1vn\u011b rozum\u00edm, ministr obrany Alexandr Vondra pro Radio\u017eurn\u00e1l uvedl: &#8222;Nev\u00edme p\u0159esn\u011b, kdo stoj\u00ed v Libyi na druh\u00e9 stran\u011b.&#8220; Znamen\u00e1 to, \u017ee prezident tuto ot\u00e1zku vn\u00edm\u00e1 podobn\u011b, \u017ee tady nem\u00e1 rozli\u0161en t\u00e1bor dobra a zla, kdy\u017e to \u0159eknu hodn\u011b jednodu\u0161e?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nP\u0159esn\u011b tak, on z\u00e1pad v tomhle byl \u010dasto velmi naivn\u00ed. V\u017edycky si stanovil n\u011bjak\u00e9 sv\u00e9 kladn\u00e9 hrdiny a n\u011bjak\u00e9 sv\u00e9 padouchy v n\u011bjak\u00e9m probl\u00e9mu a skoro v\u017edycky se spletl. A v\u017edycky nainvestoval ohromnou energii, ohromn\u00e9 lidsk\u00e9 finan\u010dn\u00ed jin\u00e9 s\u00edly a pak najednou v pr\u016fb\u011bhu let zji\u0161\u0165oval, \u017ee karta, na kterou vsadil t\u0159eba mohla b\u00fdt i fale\u0161n\u00e1 nebo cinknut\u00e1, \u017ee to nen\u00ed v\u017edycky tak jednoduch\u00e9 v ter\u00e9nu krizov\u00fdch situac\u00ed. Jsou to citliv\u00e1 m\u00edsta, citliv\u00e9 vztahy a opravdu nev\u00e9zt se tam n\u011bjakou t\u011b\u017ekou botou, ani\u017e bych v\u011bd\u011bl p\u0159esn\u011b \u010deho chci dos\u00e1hnout a \u010deho cht\u011bj\u00ed dos\u00e1hnout docela i \u010dasto heterogenn\u00ed nesourod\u00e9 r\u016fzn\u00e9 s\u00edly, z toho m\u016f\u017ee koukat po\u0159\u00e1dn\u00fd pr\u016f\u0161vih na dlouh\u00e1 l\u00e9ta. M\u016f\u017eeme tam riskovat \u017eivoty lid\u00ed. Kdyby byla ta situace jasn\u00e1 a p\u0159ehledn\u00e1 a kdyby byl stanoven jasn\u00fd c\u00edl, tak to jsou chv\u00edle, kdy od toho n\u011bjakou s\u00edlu demokratick\u00fd sv\u011bt m\u00e1, kdy by bylo mo\u017en\u00e9 i v n\u011bkter\u00fdch p\u0159\u00edpadech p\u0159em\u00fd\u0161let o efektivit\u011b pou\u017eit\u00ed, ale v t\u00e9 situaci nejsme.<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nNenahr\u00e1v\u00e1 tenhle postoj Kadd\u00e1f\u00edmu, kdy\u017e nejen t\u0159eba <strong>\u010desk\u00fd<\/strong> <strong>prezident<\/strong>, ale mo\u017en\u00e1 i dal\u0161\u00ed st\u00e1tn\u00edci tam let\u00ed s t\u00edm, \u017ee nen\u00ed jasn\u00e9, \u017ee Kadd\u00e1f\u00ed je ten \u010dern\u00fd a povstalci ti b\u00edl\u00ed?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nTak, \u017ee by za Kadd\u00e1f\u00edho se n\u011bkdo cht\u011bl stav\u011bt v jakoukoli chv\u00edli, to nev\u00edm, prezident <strong>V\u00e1clav<\/strong> <strong>Klaus<\/strong> ur\u010dit\u011b ne. \u017de mu kdekdo ze z\u00e1padu doned\u00e1vna zobal z ruky a te\u010f najednou se bu\u0161\u00ed v prsa, jak\u00fd je to padouch a zlo\u010dinec a je\u0161t\u011b tro\u0161ku si p\u0159isadit n\u011bjak\u00e9 siln\u011bj\u0161\u00ed slovo, a zal\u00edbit se ve\u0159ejnosti a m\u00e9di\u00edm, to a\u0165 si ka\u017ed\u00fd hr\u00e1bne do sv\u00e9ho sv\u011bdom\u00ed, ale tady v\u016fbec nejde toho, jestli jsme fanou\u0161ci Sparty, Slavie nebo n\u011bjak\u00e9ho jin\u00e9ho klubu, tady jde o lidsk\u00e9 \u017eivoty a pr\u00e1v\u011b proto, \u017ee jde o velice v\u00fdbu\u0161nou, nep\u0159ehlednou situaci a up\u0159\u00edmn\u011b \u0159e\u010deno j\u00e1 si prost\u011b nemysl\u00edm, \u017ee za v\u0161emi z\u00e1m\u011bry vlet\u011bt tam do toho silou v\u017edycky mus\u00ed b\u00fdt u\u0161lechtil\u00e9 c\u00edle. M\u016f\u017ee j\u00edt o moc, o ropu, o to stabilizovat situaci jako ur\u010ditou hr\u00e1t, kterou Libye dote\u010f byla, p\u0159\u00edlivu emigrant\u016f do Evropy ze subsaharsk\u00e9 Afriky, \u010dili tady jde tak\u00e9 o p\u011bkn\u011b p\u0159\u00edzemn\u00ed z\u00e1jmy. Ne v\u017edy jen o ty nej\u010dist\u0161\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nA o jak\u00e9 z\u00e1jmy konkr\u00e9tn\u011b v tomto boji, a\u0165 u\u017e o osudy lid\u00ed v Libyi, a\u0165 u\u017e o ropu, o politick\u00e9 souvzta\u017enosti jde \u010cR?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\n\u010cR v\u016fbec nen\u00ed zem\u011b, kter\u00e1 by si m\u011bla hr\u00e1t na sv\u011btov\u00e9ho \u010detn\u00edka. Na to, \u017ee by m\u011bla \u0159e\u0161it situaci na cel\u00e9 zem\u011bkouli. \u010cR m\u00e1 definovan\u00e9 z\u00e1jmy a \u010cR je tak\u00e9 \u010dlen OSN, v\u00e1z\u00e1na n\u011bjak\u00fdmi z\u00e1vazky a je to tak\u00e9 zem\u011b sd\u00edlej\u00edc\u00ed ur\u010dit\u00e9 hodnoty, ale myslet si, \u017ee zrovna my budeme p\u0159ich\u00e1zet s dokonal\u00fdmi recepty na to, kam poslat letadlov\u00e9 lod\u011b a kam poslat statis\u00edcov\u00e9 arm\u00e1dy, takov\u00e9 ambice nem\u011bjme. Rad\u0161i v\u00edc poslouchejme ne\u017e bouchejme do stolu. Nemysl\u00edm poslouchejme druh\u00e9 poslu\u0161n\u011b, ale poslouchejme, co se d\u011bje. Vn\u00edmejme to.<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nPro\u010d tam pan prezident let\u00ed a co tam bude platn\u00fd, pokud se ty v\u011bci maj\u00ed tak, jak \u0159\u00edk\u00e1te?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nPokud tam p\u0159evl\u00e1dne neuv\u00e1\u017een\u00e1 atmosf\u00e9ra n\u011bjak\u00e9ho \u0159in\u010den\u00ed zbran\u011bmi a tendence, co\u017e opravdu b\u00fdv\u00e1 n\u011bkdy u politik\u016f snaha ud\u011blat si doma n\u011bjak\u00e9 body rozhodn\u00fdm p\u0159\u00edstupem najednou z ni\u010deho nic a tro\u0161ku ze \u0161patn\u00e9ho sv\u011bdom\u00ed za to, jak\u00e9 \u00fa\u017easn\u00e9 vztahy m\u011bli s n\u011bkter\u00fdmi dikt\u00e1tory v minulosti, tak pak bude dobr\u00fd ka\u017ed\u00fd hlas, kter\u00fd \u0159ekne: po\u010dkejte, rad\u0161i p\u0159em\u00fd\u0161lejme, ne\u017e n\u011bco ud\u011bl\u00e1me \u0161patn\u011b.<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nNeboli pan prezident tam let\u00ed jako jak\u00fdsi zchlazuj\u00edc\u00ed \u010dl\u00e1nek v p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b, \u017ee by n\u011bkdo horoval pro ozbrojen\u00fd konflikt nebo pro intervenci zahrani\u010dn\u00ed?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 bych tomu byl r\u00e1d, kdyby to tak bylo.<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nJe tomu tak?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 jsem o tom dnes s panem prezidentem nemluvil, ale byl bych tomu tak r\u00e1d a tak jak ho zn\u00e1m, tak si mysl\u00ed, \u017ee pr\u00e1v\u011b v\u017edy volil sp\u00ed\u0161e uv\u00e1\u017eliv\u00e9 postupy.<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nSummit unie by se mohl zab\u00fdvat tak\u00e9 mj. i humanit\u00e1rn\u00ed pomoc\u00ed uprchl\u00edk\u016fm. M\u00e1 pan prezident n\u011bjakou mo\u017enost nab\u00eddnout formu pomoci i od \u010cR, budeme se do toho n\u011bjak anga\u017eovat?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nV situaci, kdy se v zemi bojuje, nen\u00ed snadn\u00e9 adresovat jakoukoli pomoc, u\u017e jenom j\u00ed tam dostat a distribuovat. V moment\u011b, kdy by ta situace byla mocensky klidn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, vojensky klidn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, tak je nepochybn\u00e9, \u017ee jak u\u017e bylo u jin\u00fdch kriz\u00ed, \u017ee \u010cR nebude st\u00e1t stranou a n\u011bjakou pomoc nab\u00eddne.<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nL\u00edd\u0159i koalice se z\u00edtra vr\u00e1t\u00ed k diskusi o d\u016fchodov\u00e9 reform\u011b, kterou <strong>V\u00e1clav<\/strong> <strong>Klaus<\/strong> podrobil d\u016fsledn\u00e9 kritice, \u010deho chce pan prezident takovou kritikou dos\u00e1hnout? J\u00e1 i mnoz\u00ed dal\u0161\u00ed si jist\u011b p\u0159e\u010detli, co psal <strong>V\u00e1clav<\/strong> <strong>Klaus<\/strong> v MF, mnoz\u00ed sly\u0161eli i jeho vystoupen\u00ed v televizi Nova, s touto kritikou, ne\u017e vy\u0161el na ve\u0159ejnost, hovo\u0159il o sv\u00fdch n\u00e1zorech s premi\u00e9rem?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nJ\u00e1 si nejsem v\u011bdom, j\u00e1 jsem nebyl u jejich jedn\u00e1n\u00ed mezi 4 o\u010dima, jestli o tomto mluvili. J\u00e1 jsem byl spole\u010dn\u011b, nejen s panem prezidentem, ale i s celou odbornou i neodbornou ve\u0159ejnost\u00ed zasko\u010den t\u00edm, co na n\u00e1s vl\u00e1da p\u0159ed n\u011bkolika dny vybafla. P\u0159esko\u010dila ohromn\u00fd kus ve\u0159ejn\u00e9 spole\u010densk\u00e9 debaty a snahu obh\u00e1jit jednotliv\u00e9 kroky toho celistv\u00e9ho konceptu d\u016fchodov\u00e9 reformy a najednou p\u0159edkl\u00e1d\u00e1 hotovou v\u011bc, kter\u00e1 pr\u00fd je rozhodnut\u00e1, o kter\u00e9 pr\u00fd je koalice dohodnut\u00e1 a na kter\u00e9 dokonce stoj\u00ed cel\u00e1 vl\u00e1da a ostatn\u00ed maj\u00ed jen \u0159\u00edct: tak my do toho nebudeme \u0161\u0165ourat, proto\u017ee p\u0159ece nebudeme destabilizovat politickou situaci. A to zase si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee d\u016fchodov\u00e1 reforma je tak v\u00e1\u017en\u00e1 v\u011bc, \u017ee do n\u00ed je t\u0159eba \u0161\u0165ourat v ka\u017ed\u00e9 situaci.<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nRozum\u00edm, ale to na co jsem se ptala je, pro\u010d pokud prezident republiky je t\u0159eba zasko\u010den \u010di p\u0159ekvapen postojem premi\u00e9ra, ministra financ\u00ed, pl\u00e1ny koali\u010dn\u00ed vl\u00e1dy, pro\u010d s t\u00edm nejde za premi\u00e9rem, ministrem financ\u00ed, nepozve si tyto p\u00e1ny na Hrad, pro\u010d s t\u00edm jde do MF a do m\u00e9di\u00ed?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nTak p\u0159ece debata o d\u016fchodov\u00e9 reform\u011b nen\u00ed debatou pro 6 politik\u016f a 7 expert\u016f, kte\u0159\u00ed si budou n\u011bco t\u00fddny a t\u00fddny&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nAle pro\u010d by tam ta debata nem\u011bla za\u010d\u00edt?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nV\u016fbec ne, ta m\u00e1 za\u010d\u00edt pr\u00e1v\u011b na ve\u0159ejnosti, ta m\u00e1 za\u010d\u00edt u toho mikrof\u00f3nu va\u0161eho radia, ve ve\u0159ejn\u00e9 diskusi, na str\u00e1nk\u00e1ch novin, jde o to, \u017ee lid\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed maj\u00ed na tuto v\u011bc n\u011bjak\u00e9 sv\u00e9 n\u00e1zory, a p\u0159em\u00fd\u0161lej\u00ed v\u016fbec o fenom\u00e9nu d\u016fchod\u016f a studuj\u00ed jednotliv\u00e9 koncepty a zaj\u00edmaj\u00ed se o to cel\u00e1 l\u00e9ta, tak si \u0159\u00edkali, tak vl\u00e1da p\u0159i\u0161la s velmi siln\u00fdmi slovy na sv\u00e9m za\u010d\u00e1tku, \u017ee d\u016fchodov\u00e1 reforma pat\u0159\u00ed a bude pat\u0159it mezi jej\u00ed priority, tak jsme v\u0161ichni \u010dekali, \u017ee bude d\u00e1vat jednotliv\u00e1 t\u00e9mata k debatov\u00e1n\u00ed, tato t\u00e9mata se uzav\u0159ou n\u011bjak\u00fdm v\u00fdsledkem a debata pokro\u010d\u00ed a na n\u00ed se postav\u00ed zase dal\u0161\u00ed patro t\u00e9 budovy. A my jsme najednou zjistili, \u017ee u\u017e n\u00e1m vl\u00e1da p\u0159edkl\u00e1d\u00e1 d\u016fm i se st\u0159echou a se z\u00e1clonkami a dokonce s vybranou barvou, ani\u017e by v\u016fbec byla mo\u017enost kohokoli, kdo to celou dobu sleduje, promluvit k n\u011bjak\u00fdm z\u00e1kladn\u011bj\u0161\u00edm, fundament\u00e1ln\u00edm v\u011bcem. N\u011bkter\u00e9 v\u011bci v\u016fbec nepro\u0161ly n\u011bjakou diskus\u00ed, nikdo tady ne\u0159ekl, \u017ee se budou zakl\u00e1dat priv\u00e1tn\u00ed fondy s n\u011bjak\u00fdm ve\u0159ejnopr\u00e1vn\u00edm charakterem.<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nO t\u011bchto pil\u00ed\u0159\u00edch d\u016fchodov\u00e9 reformy hovo\u0159ila u\u017e Bezd\u011bkova komise v n\u011bkolika d\u016fvodov\u00fdch a n\u00e1vrhov\u00fdch zpr\u00e1v\u00e1ch a hovo\u0159ilo se o tom v m\u00e9di\u00edch, p\u0159esn\u011b jak \u0159\u00edk\u00e1 premi\u00e9r i jak p\u0159ipom\u00edn\u00e1 ministr financ\u00ed n\u011bkolik m\u011bs\u00edc\u016f. Hovo\u0159il o tom i NERV a jeho jednotliv\u00ed \u010dlenov\u00e9, tak\u017ee stejn\u011b jak tvrd\u00ed premi\u00e9r, tak bylo mo\u017en\u00e9 sledovat debatu k d\u016fchodov\u00e9 reform\u011b, vy se opravdu c\u00edt\u00edte b\u00fdt tak zasko\u010den\u00ed t\u00edm, co vl\u00e1da te\u010f p\u0159edlo\u017eila?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nAno, proto\u017ee nejen, \u017ee n\u011bkolik m\u011bs\u00edc\u016f prob\u00edhala debata, ta prob\u00edh\u00e1 mo\u017en\u00e1 u\u017e 15 let a prob\u00edh\u00e1 za prv\u00e9 na p\u016fdoryse demografick\u00fdch zm\u011bn, rod\u00ed se m\u00e9n\u011b d\u011bt\u00ed, m\u00e9n\u011b lid\u00ed p\u0159ich\u00e1z\u00ed do produktivn\u00edho v\u011bku, a zase na druhou stranu d\u00edky lep\u0161\u00ed zdravotn\u00ed p\u00e9\u010di a \u017eivotn\u00edm podm\u00ednk\u00e1m se lid\u00e9 do\u017e\u00edvaj\u00ed vy\u0161\u0161\u00edho v\u011bku a tud\u00ed\u017e del\u0161\u00ed dobu konzumuj\u00ed d\u016fchod, toto je v\u011bc zn\u00e1m\u00e1 a o n\u00ed se debatuje 15 let a krom\u011b toho se tak\u00e9 posledn\u00edch 15 let a posledn\u00ed m\u011bs\u00edce ur\u010dit\u011b intenzivn\u011b, debatuje o jednotliv\u00fdch r\u016fzn\u00fdch n\u00e1vrz\u00edch, n\u00e1padech, ale \u017ee by n\u00e1m n\u011bkdo \u0159ekl, toto bude n\u00e1\u0161 ofici\u00e1ln\u00ed n\u00e1vrh, s t\u00edmto vl\u00e1da p\u0159ijde, s t\u00edmto konkr\u00e9tn\u00edm konceptem, to nebylo jasn\u00e9 dokonce ani p\u0159ed m\u011bs\u00edcem nato\u017e p\u0159ed p\u016fl rokem.<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nNeboli panu prezidentovi vad\u00ed, \u017ee s t\u00edmto ho premi\u00e9r nesezn\u00e1mil? Tam mus\u00ed b\u00fdt n\u011bjak\u00e1 komunikace mezi premi\u00e9rem a prezidentem?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nTo p\u0159ece nejde v\u016fbec o to, \u017ee by pan prezident si st\u011b\u017eoval do novin: oni mi to ne\u0159ekli, nejde v\u016fbec o prezidenta, jde i o v\u00e1s. Jde o na\u0161e poslucha\u010de, o celou ve\u0159ejnost.<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nJde o to, \u017ee slov\u016fm prezidenta nepochybn\u011b lid\u00e9 p\u0159ikl\u00e1daj\u00ed v\u00e1hu a pakli\u017ee prezident t\u00edmto zp\u016fsobem kdy\u017e to \u0159eknu lidov\u011b mas\u00edruje pl\u00e1ny koalice, kl\u00ed\u010dov\u00fd pil\u00ed\u0159 koali\u010dn\u00ed smlouvy, t\u00edmto zp\u016fsobem v m\u00e9di\u00edch, tak to vypad\u00e1, \u017ee mezi prezidentem a vl\u00e1dou je n\u011bjak\u00e1 komunika\u010dn\u00ed hradba, kterou prezident \u0159e\u0161\u00ed p\u0159es m\u00e9dia?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nNe mezi prezidentem a vl\u00e1dou, mezi vl\u00e1dou a zbytkem cel\u00e9 spole\u010dnosti. Vl\u00e1da s celou odbornou i neodbornou \u0161irokou politickou, nepolitickou ve\u0159ejnost\u00ed nekomunikovala n\u011bkter\u00e9 v\u011bci. Nikdy nap\u0159. n\u00e1m nebylo \u0159e\u010deno, jestli to, \u017ee m\u00e9n\u011b lid\u00ed bude platit v\u00edce d\u016fchodc\u016f, jestli tzn., \u017ee budou v budoucnu ni\u017e\u0161\u00ed d\u016fchody a tud\u00ed\u017e se event. i lidem nech\u00e1 v\u00edc pen\u011bz, aby se mohli p\u0159ipravit na svoj\u00ed budoucnost anebo jestli st\u00e1t p\u016fjde tou cestou, \u017ee se bude cht\u00edt po\u0159\u00e1d i nad\u00e1le starat o na\u0161e dobra, dokud otev\u0159eme o\u010di, na to ale on z n\u00e1s bude muset vycucnout v\u00edc pen\u011bz a to tak\u00e9 vl\u00e1da te\u010f d\u011bl\u00e1, \u010dili vl\u00e1da vlastn\u011b signalizuje t\u011bm mlad\u00fdm, kter\u00fdm je dneska 30, 35, \u0159ekne jim: ne, nep\u0159ipravujte se na nic, nemus\u00edte v\u016fbec investovat do sv\u00e9 budoucnosti, nemus\u00edte spo\u0159it, hledat r\u016fzn\u00e9 mo\u017enosti, jak se zabezpe\u010dit, proto\u017ee vl\u00e1da to p\u0159ece za v\u00e1s ud\u011bl\u00e1 t\u00edm, \u017ee vycuc\u00e1v\u00e1 od v\u0161ech lid\u00ed pen\u00edze&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nA co tedy prezident o\u010dek\u00e1v\u00e1 od vl\u00e1dy v t\u00e9to chv\u00edli, \u017ee by m\u011bla ud\u011blat?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\n\u017de couvne o 3 kroky zp\u00e1tky a \u017ee bu\u010f dojde ke shod\u011b na reform\u011b, kter\u00e1 bude m\u00edt o\u010di, kter\u00e1 vyjasn\u00ed vztah mezi \u010dlov\u011bkem poplatn\u00edkem, d\u016fchodcem a st\u00e1tem. Tyto fundament\u00e1ln\u00ed v\u011bci, \u017ee se vyjasn\u00ed bude na nich n\u011bjak\u00e1 shoda a pak se vykro\u010d\u00ed sm\u011brem k reform\u011b anebo se rad\u0161i nebude d\u011blat reforma \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e1 a pouze syst\u00e9m, kter\u00fd je se uprav\u00ed v n\u011bkolika parametrech, kter\u00e9 zlep\u0161\u00ed tu pr\u016fto\u010dnost financov\u00e1n\u00ed a budeme se o skute\u010dn\u00e9 reform\u011b bavit d\u00e1l, proto\u017ee ty kroky, kter\u00e9 te\u010f vl\u00e1da avizuje, jsou protich\u016fdn\u00e9 s n\u011bkter\u00fdmi jin\u00fdmi tendencemi, jin\u00fdmi \u00famysly a byly by s n\u00ed nekompatibiln\u00ed. Nav\u00edc vl\u00e1da riskuje ohromnou v\u011bc, \u017ee a\u017e se za 2, 3, 4 roky nebo t\u0159eba za v\u00edc, zm\u011bn\u00ed politick\u00e1 garnitura, tak ty s\u00edly, kter\u00e9 te\u010f maj\u00ed pocit, \u017ee jsou vylou\u010deny z debaty, tak cel\u00fd ten syst\u00e9m rozmetaj\u00ed a syst\u00e9m, kter\u00fd m\u011bl vydr\u017eet nejm\u00e9n\u011b jednu generaci, bude zpochybn\u011bn.<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nPrezident o\u010dek\u00e1v\u00e1, \u017ee vl\u00e1da couvne o 3 kroky zp\u011bt, znamen\u00e1 to, \u017ee kdyby vl\u00e1da do parlamentu p\u0159edlo\u017eila z\u00e1kon v t\u00e9to podob\u011b, kdyby do\u0161lo legislativn\u00edm procesem a\u017e na podpis prezidenta, \u017ee prezident tuto formu d\u016fchodov\u00e9 reformy nepodep\u00ed\u0161e?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nO tom jsem s prezidentem nemluvil a prezident je\u0161t\u011b nikdy neavizoval dop\u0159edu takov\u00e9 sv\u00e9 kroky. J\u00e1 bych byl ur\u010dit\u011b ten, kter\u00fd by navrhoval, aby to vr\u00e1til. Aby umo\u017enil tu debatu je\u0161t\u011b alespo\u0148 jednou p\u0159ehodnotit a n\u011bco si z t\u00e9 debaty vz\u00edt. Ale j\u00e1 si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee se tak nestane, proto\u017ee z vl\u00e1dy i z p\u0159\u00edslu\u0161n\u00e9ho ministerstva u\u017e zazn\u00edvaj\u00ed hlasy, \u017ee n\u011bco na t\u00e9 kritice bude, a \u017ee by bylo dobr\u00e9 je\u0161t\u011b n\u011bkter\u00e9 v\u011bci znovu zp\u00e1tky prodebatovat. Ono toti\u017e nejde o to vn\u00e1\u0161et do t\u00e9to debaty n\u011bjak\u00fd bojovn\u00fd t\u00f3n a myslet si, \u017ee j\u00e1 vyhraji nebo on vyhraje nebo n\u011bkdo jin\u00fd, tato debata by nem\u011bla m\u00edt v\u00edt\u011bze a pora\u017een\u00e9. Tato debata by m\u011bla skon\u010dit n\u011bjak\u00fdm spole\u010dn\u00fdm konsenzem nad \u0159e\u0161en\u00edm, kter\u00e9 tady dlouho vydr\u017e\u00ed a spole\u010dn\u00e1 shoda nikdy nenastane, pokud i na posledn\u00ed budou do toho syst\u00e9mu vn\u00e1\u0161eny velmi kontroverzn\u00ed prvky a kontroverzn\u00edm prvkem ur\u010dit\u011b je to zam\u00fd\u0161len\u00e9 sjednocen\u00ed na vy\u0161\u0161\u00ed \u00farovni DPH pro celou velkou skupinu z\u00e1kladn\u00edch lidsk\u00fdch pot\u0159eb, proto\u017ee ona ur\u010dit\u00e1 skupina dne\u0161n\u00edch d\u016fchodc\u016f, kter\u00fdm je t\u0159eba 70, se skoro m\u016f\u017ee c\u00edtit b\u00fdt oklam\u00e1na. My jsme jim \u0159\u00edkali 15 let a j\u00e1 jsem byl p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010den\u00fd, \u017ee jim to \u0159\u00edk\u00e1me pravdiv\u011b, \u017ee kdy\u017e se \u0159ekne souslov\u00ed d\u016fchodov\u00e1 reforma, tak se nemaj\u00ed pla\u0161it d\u016fchodci, proto\u017ee t\u011bch se d\u016fchodov\u00e1 reforma nem\u016f\u017ee a nikdy nem\u011bla t\u00fdkat, proto\u017ee se m\u00e1 t\u00fdkat pouze t\u011bch, kter\u00fdm je dnes 30, 35 a ti se maj\u00ed dozv\u011bd\u011bt n\u011bco o sv\u00e9 budoucnosti, o tom co st\u00e1t pro n\u011b v budoucnu ud\u011bl\u00e1 a co by m\u011bli d\u011blat u\u017e te\u010f. Tohle jsme \u0159\u00edkali cel\u00e1 l\u00e9ta a mysleli jsme si, \u017ee t\u011bm d\u016fchodc\u016fm nel\u017eeme, ono to vypad\u00e1 \u00fapln\u011b jinak. Oni dnes na tom DPH ze sv\u00fdch chud\u00fdch pen\u011bz vlastn\u011b maj\u00ed financovat bohat\u00e9 d\u016fchody lidem, kter\u00fdm je dneska 35, kte\u0159\u00ed se budou za 30 let m\u00edt ur\u010dit\u011b l\u00edp ne\u017e dne\u0161n\u00ed d\u016fchodci.<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\nVy jste nakousl to, co je velmi n\u00e1padn\u00e9 jist\u011b mnoha lidem a to je reakce opozice, ale hlavn\u011b shoda n\u00e1zor\u016f pana prezidenta s opozic\u00ed v bod\u011b d\u016fchodov\u00e1 reforma. Uv\u011bdomuje si pan prezident nebo byl to t\u0159eba i jeho z\u00e1m\u011br t\u00edmto zp\u016fsobem nahr\u00e1t opozici. Vezm\u011bte si, \u017ee Bohuslav Sobotka, l\u00eddr \u010cSSD, hovo\u0159\u00ed u\u017e o tom, \u017ee by se mohly vypsat i p\u0159ed\u010dasn\u00e9 volby. David Rath, \u010dlov\u011bk s ambicemi na ministra financ\u00ed, moment\u00e1ln\u011b st\u00ednov\u00fd ministr zdravotnictv\u00ed hovo\u0159\u00ed o tom, \u017ee by zn\u00e1rodnil ty fondy penzijn\u00ed, ke kter\u00fdm by se dopracovala d\u016fchodov\u00e1 reforma, je to skute\u010dn\u011b ten efekt, kter\u00fd cht\u011bl pan prezident dos\u00e1hnout?<\/p>\n<p>Host (<strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>):<br \/>\nUr\u010dit\u011b se pt\u00e1te \u0159e\u010dnicky, proto\u017ee dob\u0159e v\u00edte, \u017ee to tak nen\u00ed. \u017de posledn\u00ed rok soci\u00e1ln\u00ed demokracie m\u00e1 starosti nejv\u011bt\u0161\u00ed sama se sebou a \u017ee je zcela zam\u011bstn\u00e1na vnit\u0159n\u00edm bojem, je pravda, a \u017ee to je ke \u0161kod\u011b jak j\u00ed, tak z\u0159ejm\u011b i zbytku politick\u00e9ho spektra je evidentn\u00ed. A \u017ee na posledn\u00ed chv\u00edli se chce tak\u00e9 p\u0159ihl\u00e1sit o sv\u00e9 slovo a mo\u017en\u00e1 i jednotliv\u00ed hr\u00e1\u010di v \u010cSSD p\u0159ed sjezdem cht\u011bj\u00ed upozornit, \u017ee jsou opravdu pevn\u00e1 opozice. Myslet si, \u017ee tak z\u00e1va\u017enou v\u011bc jako kritiku d\u016fchodov\u00e9 reformy z pozic, kter\u00e9 m\u011bl stejn\u00e9 p\u0159ed 5, 10, 15 lety d\u011bl\u00e1 prezident kv\u016fli zrovna moment\u00e1ln\u00ed &#8211; aby si n\u011bkdo moment\u00e1ln\u011b myslel v m\u00e9di\u00edch, rozhlasu, novin\u00e1ch, \u017ee chce stranit nebo pom\u00e1hat n\u011bkomu, j\u00e1 mysl\u00edm, \u017ee na to pan prezident ka\u0161le. P\u0159ed dv\u011bma m\u011bs\u00edci mu v\u0161ichni nad\u00e1vali, \u017ee je div ne \u010dlenem vl\u00e1dn\u00ed koalice, te\u010f mu zase budou v\u0161ichni nad\u00e1vat, \u017ee nahr\u00e1v\u00e1 opozici. Nebude to n\u00e1hodou t\u00edm, \u017ee m\u00e1 po\u0159\u00e1d sv\u00e9 n\u00e1zory a \u017ee si ob\u010das n\u011bkdo ho chce p\u0159ivlastnit, jedou jeden, jednou druh\u00fd podle toho, jak je to pro koho v\u00fdhodn\u00e9?<\/p>\n<p>Moder\u00e1tor (\u0160t\u011bp\u00e1nka \u010cechov\u00e1):<br \/>\n\u0158ekl <strong>Ladislav<\/strong> <strong>Jakl<\/strong>, \u0159editel politick\u00e9ho odboru <strong>Kancel\u00e1\u0159e<\/strong> <strong>prezidenta<\/strong> <strong>republiky<\/strong>, d\u011bkuji, na shledanou.<\/p>\n<p><object classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" width=\"280\" height=\"40\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"src\" value=\"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/data\/radiozurnal3_280_40.swf\" \/><embed type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"280\" height=\"40\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/data\/radiozurnal3_280_40.swf\"><\/embed><\/object><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-842","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-rozhovory"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/842","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=842"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/842\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":844,"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/842\/revisions\/844"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=842"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=842"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ladislavjakl.cz\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=842"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}